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I've added some sources. More are out there. Important literary device. Important list for some of our readers. 7&6=thirteen () 12:00, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Help with translation[edit]

Hello, I am translating this page into the French Wikipedia (where it had no equivalent), and I'm having trouble translating the quote by Tolkien: "Very little about trees as trees can be got into a play".

I looked for context and it seems that it means drama/plays can't include much about background elements ("trees") while novels are more suitable for worldbuilding and fantasy. But the phrasing "can be got into" is unfamiliar to me as a non-native English speaker. What I understand from it is "There is very little about trees in plays, because trees can be included into a play", which sounds contradictory in itself.

Could anyone can provide a rephrasing or an explanation? Thank you ! Opsylac (talk) 14:50, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Opsylac: if you are still working on this I hope this helps. I don't think this sentance is very helpful to the article as a whole and isn't particularly easy to understand but I think you're problem is that you are splitting the sentance in the wrong place. It should read more like "very little about 'trees as trees' can be got into plays". Basically Tolkein is saying that it is hard to describe the scenery in a play - you can't spend much time talking about 'trees as trees'.
In this case "can be got into" would probably be clearer as "can be written into". ~ El D. (talk to me) 19:28, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@El komodos drago: Thanks a lot! It makes much more sense indeeed :) I just edited the translation, it's way better! --Opsylac (talk) 11:56, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. ~ El D. (talk to me) 16:08, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

World-building tools[edit]

I think it would be good if Wikipedia discussed software and websites dedicated to world-building — as far as I can tell, there is no article or list dedicated to that yet, and I don’t know whether this article would be the right place to do it or a comparative article of the various options (similar to List of wiki software or Comparison of wiki software) should be made separately and linked to from here. The market for these has expanded rapidly in recent years with the increasing popularity of D&D and other role-playing games, but I don’t know that any of them individually has reached the critical mass to meet Wikipedia’s notability criteria. A collective article would be a good way to examine the features typically available in such tools and compare the pricing models (subscriptions and licenses) and usability (online versus offline, single-user versus wiki-like, etc.) among them, since that information normally comes from primary sources.

I think this article could at least mention that such tools exist, give a brief overview of their benefits and try to give examples of the methods used by some notable world-builders. I remember George R. R. Martin discussing how he does all his writing on DOS software on an old computer without Internet access, but I don’t know if that extends to his world-building notes. 2001:18C0:1000:18:749D:49F1:ED0:C58B (talk) 18:36, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Translation request[edit]

I would like this interesting article to be translated into Ukrainian, if someone can do it, please do so. Adolf Dreyz (talk) 19:13, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]